From nurupo at tox.chat Sun Aug 1 13:47:41 2021 From: nurupo at tox.chat (nurupo) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:47:41 -0400 Subject: [General] TriCitizen new Tox client on Android In-Reply-To: References: <1afa88309cd8887b7ff6e493a9695cf2@mohan.net> Message-ID: <31dfcba7fde8b89aa9e65fc558641604@tox.chat> Hi, Any updates regarding TriCitizen violating the terms of c-toxcore's GPL license? We would like to see this issue resolved as soon as possible. --- Regards, nurupo From gary at mohan.net Mon Aug 2 13:21:47 2021 From: gary at mohan.net (gary at mohan.net) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 14:21:47 +0100 Subject: [General] TriCitizen new Tox client on Android In-Reply-To: <31dfcba7fde8b89aa9e65fc558641604@tox.chat> References: <1afa88309cd8887b7ff6e493a9695cf2@mohan.net> <31dfcba7fde8b89aa9e65fc558641604@tox.chat> Message-ID: <96c746954119617de3687fcd6b332f45@mohan.net> GPL allows distribution of binaries in a closed source project. https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/7737/am-i-allowed-to-provide-compiled-binaries-of-open-source-libraries https://www.quora.com/Do-I-have-to-disclose-my-code-when-using-GPL-runtime-depedencies?share=1 On 2021-08-01 2:47 pm, nurupo wrote: > Hi, > > Any updates regarding TriCitizen violating the terms of c-toxcore's GPL > license? > We would like to see this issue resolved as soon as possible. > > --- > Regards, > nurupo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nurupo at tox.chat Mon Aug 2 18:15:59 2021 From: nurupo at tox.chat (nurupo) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 14:15:59 -0400 Subject: [General] TriCitizen new Tox client on Android In-Reply-To: <96c746954119617de3687fcd6b332f45@mohan.net> References: <1afa88309cd8887b7ff6e493a9695cf2@mohan.net> <31dfcba7fde8b89aa9e65fc558641604@tox.chat> <96c746954119617de3687fcd6b332f45@mohan.net> Message-ID: <1cdc048b25b9171bf8333aeed6db19dc@tox.chat> Hi, See this GPL FAQ entry https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#IfLibraryIsGPL To quote it: > Q: If a library is released under the GPL (not the LGPL), does that > mean that any software which uses it has to be under the GPL or a > GPL-compatible license? > A: Yes, because the program actually links to the library. As such, the > terms of the GPL apply to the entire combination. The software modules > that link with the library may be under various GPL compatible > licenses, but the work as a whole must be licensed under the GPL. See > also: What does it mean to say a license is ?compatible with the GPL?? c-toxcore is a library released under the GPL, GPLv3.0-or-later to be precise. TriCitizen is a software that uses the library. Per that FAQ entry, the work as a whole, i.e. the TriCitizen binary users download from Google Play store, must be licensed under the GPL, i.e. the terms of the GPL license apply to it. As per the GPLv3.0 license section 6, you must provide the users of TriCitizen with the source code corresponding to the TriCitizen version they are using, along with the installation instructions allowing the users to build and install the TriCitizen app using the provided source code. Please look around the GPL FAQ more, it covers a lot of questions and is quite helpful in understanding how the GPL license works. It's written by the Free Software Foundation, the authors of the GPL license, so it a rather authoritative source of information. For example, you might find the following entries interesting: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#LinkingWithGPL https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLInProprietarySystem Of course, *the* automotive source of the information is the license text itself, which you can find at https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore/blob/master/LICENSE c-toxcore is licensed under GPLv3.0-or-later. Feel free to ask any questions you might have, I will try to answer them to the best of my ability. Also, note that I'm not a lawyer, so what I'm saying doesn't constitute a legal advice. If you want a legal advice, it's the best to consult a lawyer familiar software licensing. I'm just one of many developers and copyright holders of c-toxcore. --- Regards, nurupo From gary at mohan.net Mon Aug 2 19:48:43 2021 From: gary at mohan.net (gary at mohan.net) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:48:43 +0100 Subject: [General] TriCitizen new Tox client on Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <999219bdcf691e44a693b5f9e5af9ef0@mohan.net> The Trifa library is GPL 2, a derived work (not c-toxcore) and supplies a binary. On 2021-08-02 8:29 pm, Gregory Mullen (grayhatter) wrote: > The stackexchange article is about LGPL which isn't the same license as > toxcore. But even if it was, (it's not), Toxcore isn't a just a runtime > dependency, it's both a build time dependency and a statically compiled > part of the android application. So arguments about shared libraries > don't apply. > > On Mon Aug 2, 2021 at 6:21 AM PDT, wrote: GPL allows distribution of > binaries in a closed source project. > > https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/7737/am-i-allowed-to-provide-compiled-binaries-of-open-source-libraries > > https://www.quora.com/Do-I-have-to-disclose-my-code-when-using-GPL-runtime-depedencies?share=1 > > On 2021-08-01 2:47 pm, nurupo wrote: > > Hi, > > Any updates regarding TriCitizen violating the terms of c-toxcore's GPL > license? > We would like to see this issue resolved as soon as possible. > > --- > Regards, > nurupo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nurupo at tox.chat Mon Aug 2 20:38:38 2021 From: nurupo at tox.chat (nurupo) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 16:38:38 -0400 Subject: [General] TriCitizen new Tox client on Android In-Reply-To: References: <1afa88309cd8887b7ff6e493a9695cf2@mohan.net> <31dfcba7fde8b89aa9e65fc558641604@tox.chat> <96c746954119617de3687fcd6b332f45@mohan.net> <1cdc048b25b9171bf8333aeed6db19dc@tox.chat> Message-ID: Trifa includes c-toxcore and is licensed under GPL too. So you are also violating Trifa's GPL license too. Also, I'm not sure what you meant by saying that Trifa was available as a binary. It makes no difference if it was available as a binary or not, it's GPL, and if you if you include it in your app as a dependency, you must comply with the GPL license. > Everything I've read on this from real-world lawyers says copyright > law trumps the GPL licence. I'm sorry, but what you are talking makes no sense. Are you aware of what the copyright law is and what licenses are used for? Under the copyright law, you are not allowed to use a work without permission from the copyright holder. Any such use constitutes copyright infringement and the copyright holder might file a legal suit against you. If we ignore the GPL license of c-toxcore and Trifa for a moment and assume they have no license, just the copyright, then you are not allowed to use them until after you get permissions from *all* copyright holders of c-toxcore and Trifa to be able to use them in your app. (Actually, I think Trifa depends on some other GPL software, at least x264 but maybe more, so you would need to seek their permission too). Did you get any permission from c-toxcore copyright holders to use c-toxcore in the TriCitizen app? As one of c-toxcore copyright holders, I can say that you did not, because I wasn't contacted regarding this, and without my permission you aren't allowed. A license is the copyright holders telling that everyone can use their copyrighted work as long as they comply with the terms of the license. The only terms you can use c-toxcore under are GPL. If you are not using c-toxcore under the GPL license, then by the copyright law you are not allowed to use c-toxcore at all, as a copyright holder (all c-toxcore contributors, including me) haven't explicitly allowed you to. Since you aren't allowed to use c-toxcore, by extension, you aren't allowed to use Trifa, since it includes c-toxcore. Please resolve your GPL violation promptly. --- Regards, nurupo From gary at mohan.net Mon Aug 2 21:30:52 2021 From: gary at mohan.net (gary at mohan.net) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 22:30:52 +0100 Subject: [General] TriCitizen new Tox client on Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99b5220fb719fa73b2dab094296091c7@mohan.net> Gregory, if you can persuade the venture investment team at Facebook to fund what I'm doing and they want to pay for open sourcing it, I'll do it then. Am more than happy to open source if getting paid to do so. On 2021-08-02 8:29 pm, Gregory Mullen (grayhatter) wrote: > The stackexchange article is about LGPL which isn't the same license as > toxcore. But even if it was, (it's not), Toxcore isn't a just a runtime > dependency, it's both a build time dependency and a statically compiled > part of the android application. So arguments about shared libraries > don't apply. > > On Mon Aug 2, 2021 at 6:21 AM PDT, wrote: GPL allows distribution of > binaries in a closed source project. > > https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/7737/am-i-allowed-to-provide-compiled-binaries-of-open-source-libraries > > https://www.quora.com/Do-I-have-to-disclose-my-code-when-using-GPL-runtime-depedencies?share=1 > > On 2021-08-01 2:47 pm, nurupo wrote: > > Hi, > > Any updates regarding TriCitizen violating the terms of c-toxcore's GPL > license? > We would like to see this issue resolved as soon as possible. > > --- > Regards, > nurupo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nurupo at tox.chat Tue Aug 3 00:51:31 2021 From: nurupo at tox.chat (nurupo) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:51:31 -0400 Subject: [General] TriCitizen new Tox client on Android In-Reply-To: <7a50dd66d90d6f083f0f59842488b5a4@mohan.net> References: <1afa88309cd8887b7ff6e493a9695cf2@mohan.net> <31dfcba7fde8b89aa9e65fc558641604@tox.chat> <96c746954119617de3687fcd6b332f45@mohan.net> <1cdc048b25b9171bf8333aeed6db19dc@tox.chat> <7a50dd66d90d6f083f0f59842488b5a4@mohan.net> Message-ID: > https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/6771/am-i-allowed-to-use-a-gpl-3-library-in-a-closed-source-web-application > > > "As long as the user just _runs_ GPL-2 software, there should be no > problem. GPL-3 is different." Please don't link to random answers on stackexchange or similar websites as some sort of authoritative answers. Anyone can write anything they want on those kinds of websites and that doesn't make whatever is written on there true. Instead, use the GPL-3.0 license text, accessible at https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore/blob/master/LICENSE to see what is allowed or not under the GPL. That's the single source of truth. Also, as mentioned earlier, the GPL FAQ by FSF is also a good authoritative source at explaining the GPL: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html > Am only running the binary of a GPL-2 derived work. Firstly, c-toxcore is not a binary executable, it's a library. Secondly, you are not running it, instead you are linking it into your application, making it a single application, and then running your application, not just c-toxcore. Thirdly, I don't understand why you mention GPL-2 as it doesn't apply here, it's GPL-3.0 that applies here. c-toxcore is available only under GPL-3.0-or-later, and Trifa is dual-licensed under GPL-2.0-only and GPL-3.0-only, but the only option you have is to use Trifa under the GPL-3.0 when it gets combined with c-toxcore, as GPL-2.0 and GPL-3.0 are incompatible licenses and can't be combined into a single work (see https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#AllCompatibility). --- Regards, nurupo On 2021-08-02 16:58, gary at mohan.net wrote: > https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/6771/am-i-allowed-to-use-a-gpl-3-library-in-a-closed-source-web-application > > > "As long as the user just _runs_ GPL-2 software, there should be no > problem. GPL-3 is different." > > Am only running the binary of a GPL-2 derived work. > > On 2021-08-02 9:38 pm, nurupo wrote: > >> Trifa includes c-toxcore and is licensed under GPL too. So you are >> also violating Trifa's GPL license too. >> Also, I'm not sure what you meant by saying that Trifa was available >> as a binary. It makes no difference if it was available as a binary >> or not, it's GPL, and if you if you include it in your app as a >> dependency, you must comply with the GPL license. >> >>> Everything I've read on this from real-world lawyers says >>> copyright >>> law trumps the GPL licence. >> I'm sorry, but what you are talking makes no sense. Are you aware >> of what the copyright law is and what licenses are used for? >> >> Under the copyright law, you are not allowed to use a work without >> permission from the copyright holder. Any such use constitutes >> copyright infringement and the copyright holder might file a legal >> suit against you. >> >> If we ignore the GPL license of c-toxcore and Trifa for a moment and >> assume they have no license, just the copyright, then you are not >> allowed to use them until after you get permissions from *all* >> copyright holders of c-toxcore and Trifa to be able to use them in >> your app. (Actually, I think Trifa depends on some other GPL >> software, at least x264 but maybe more, so you would need to seek >> their permission too). >> Did you get any permission from c-toxcore copyright holders to use >> c-toxcore in the TriCitizen app? As one of c-toxcore copyright >> holders, I can say that you did not, because I wasn't contacted >> regarding this, and without my permission you aren't allowed. >> >> A license is the copyright holders telling that everyone can use >> their copyrighted work as long as they comply with the terms of the >> license. >> >> The only terms you can use c-toxcore under are GPL. If you are not >> using c-toxcore under the GPL license, then by the copyright law you >> are not allowed to use c-toxcore at all, as a copyright holder (all >> c-toxcore contributors, including me) haven't explicitly allowed you >> to. Since you aren't allowed to use c-toxcore, by extension, you >> aren't allowed to use Trifa, since it includes c-toxcore. >> >> Please resolve your GPL violation promptly. >> >> --- >> Regards, >> nurupo From gary at mohan.net Tue Aug 3 03:12:15 2021 From: gary at mohan.net (gary at mohan.net) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2021 04:12:15 +0100 Subject: [General] TriCitizen new Tox client on Android In-Reply-To: References: <1afa88309cd8887b7ff6e493a9695cf2@mohan.net> <31dfcba7fde8b89aa9e65fc558641604@tox.chat> <96c746954119617de3687fcd6b332f45@mohan.net> <1cdc048b25b9171bf8333aeed6db19dc@tox.chat> <7a50dd66d90d6f083f0f59842488b5a4@mohan.net> Message-ID: <5f8f938b10093738eb3cc003c8d914f7@mohan.net> Could open sourcing it get me money? On 2021-08-03 1:51 am, nurupo wrote: >> https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/6771/am-i-allowed-to-use-a-gpl-3-library-in-a-closed-source-web-application >> >> "As long as the user just _runs_ GPL-2 software, there should be no >> problem. GPL-3 is different." > Please don't link to random answers on stackexchange or similar > websites as some sort of authoritative answers. Anyone can write > anything they want on those kinds of websites and that doesn't make > whatever is written on there true. > Instead, use the GPL-3.0 license text, accessible at > https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore/blob/master/LICENSE to see what is > allowed or not under the GPL. That's the single source of truth. > Also, as mentioned earlier, the GPL FAQ by FSF is also a good > authoritative source at explaining the GPL: > https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html > >> Am only running the binary of a GPL-2 derived work. > Firstly, c-toxcore is not a binary executable, it's a library. > Secondly, you are not running it, instead you are linking it into your > application, making it a single application, and then running your > application, not just c-toxcore. Thirdly, I don't understand why you > mention GPL-2 as it doesn't apply here, it's GPL-3.0 that applies here. > c-toxcore is available only under GPL-3.0-or-later, and Trifa is > dual-licensed under GPL-2.0-only and GPL-3.0-only, but the only option > you have is to use Trifa under the GPL-3.0 when it gets combined with > c-toxcore, as GPL-2.0 and GPL-3.0 are incompatible licenses and can't > be combined into a single work (see > https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#AllCompatibility). > > --- > Regards, > nurupo > > On 2021-08-02 16:58, gary at mohan.net wrote: > https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/6771/am-i-allowed-to-use-a-gpl-3-library-in-a-closed-source-web-application > > "As long as the user just _runs_ GPL-2 software, there should be no > problem. GPL-3 is different." > > Am only running the binary of a GPL-2 derived work. > > On 2021-08-02 9:38 pm, nurupo wrote: > > Trifa includes c-toxcore and is licensed under GPL too. So you are > also violating Trifa's GPL license too. > Also, I'm not sure what you meant by saying that Trifa was available > as a binary. It makes no difference if it was available as a binary > or not, it's GPL, and if you if you include it in your app as a > dependency, you must comply with the GPL license. > > Everything I've read on this from real-world lawyers says > copyright > law trumps the GPL licence. I'm sorry, but what you are talking makes > no sense. Are you aware > of what the copyright law is and what licenses are used for? > > Under the copyright law, you are not allowed to use a work without > permission from the copyright holder. Any such use constitutes > copyright infringement and the copyright holder might file a legal > suit against you. > > If we ignore the GPL license of c-toxcore and Trifa for a moment and > assume they have no license, just the copyright, then you are not > allowed to use them until after you get permissions from *all* > copyright holders of c-toxcore and Trifa to be able to use them in > your app. (Actually, I think Trifa depends on some other GPL > software, at least x264 but maybe more, so you would need to seek > their permission too). > Did you get any permission from c-toxcore copyright holders to use > c-toxcore in the TriCitizen app? As one of c-toxcore copyright > holders, I can say that you did not, because I wasn't contacted > regarding this, and without my permission you aren't allowed. > > A license is the copyright holders telling that everyone can use > their copyrighted work as long as they comply with the terms of the > license. > > The only terms you can use c-toxcore under are GPL. If you are not > using c-toxcore under the GPL license, then by the copyright law you > are not allowed to use c-toxcore at all, as a copyright holder (all > c-toxcore contributors, including me) haven't explicitly allowed you > to. Since you aren't allowed to use c-toxcore, by extension, you > aren't allowed to use Trifa, since it includes c-toxcore. > > Please resolve your GPL violation promptly. > > --- > Regards, > nurupo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just note that under the GPL, you will have to provide the full source code and build/install instructions of the app to the users, so the users would be free to modify the source code of your app to remove the ads, unlock all the functionality and publish this modified version on the Play Store under a different name without violating any copyright laws as GPL allows for that. Or instead of making a fully unlocked copy of your app, they could make a copy with all the ad and unlock revenue going to them instead of you. In any case though, they would have to comply with the GPL - include copyright and license statements, provide their users with their modified source code and installation instructions, etc. If you are having such a simple question, then you should really read the license text or perhaps consult a lawyer if you are having trouble understandingthe license. Again, the earlier disclaimer applies to everything I say, that I'm not a lawyer and what I'm saying is not a legal advice, it's just my understanding of GPL to the best of my knowledge, which might not necessarily be correct. --- Regards, nurupo On 2021-08-02 23:12, gary at mohan.net wrote: > Could open sourcing it get me money? From gary at mohan.net Tue Aug 3 05:00:26 2021 From: gary at mohan.net (gary at mohan.net) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2021 06:00:26 +0100 Subject: [General] TriCitizen new Tox client on Android In-Reply-To: References: <1afa88309cd8887b7ff6e493a9695cf2@mohan.net> <31dfcba7fde8b89aa9e65fc558641604@tox.chat> <96c746954119617de3687fcd6b332f45@mohan.net> <1cdc048b25b9171bf8333aeed6db19dc@tox.chat> <7a50dd66d90d6f083f0f59842488b5a4@mohan.net> <5f8f938b10093738eb3cc003c8d914f7@mohan.net> Message-ID: <4c1d62bfd8c188ca6331b000ced0d3e5@mohan.net> I'm changing my mind. Again, what I'm actually using is a derived work, so it's about the licence in that derived work. The reason I'm changing my mind is I've had some feedback that if I'm going to compete with Telegram or Signal, given they're both open source, users are more likely to trust mine if it's open source too. On 2021-08-03 5:33 am, nurupo wrote: > GPL allows you to sell copies of the software > https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney and > charge a fee to download the software > https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#DoesTheGPLAllowDownloadFee. > Charging a fee to disable in-app ads or unlock some functionality > should be fine too. > > Just note that under the GPL, you will have to provide the full source > code and build/install instructions of the app to the users, so the > users would be free to modify the source code of your app to remove the > ads, unlock all the functionality and publish this modified version on > the Play Store under a different name without violating any copyright > laws as GPL allows for that. Or instead of making a fully unlocked copy > of your app, they could make a copy with all the ad and unlock revenue > going to them instead of you. In any case though, they would have to > comply with the GPL - include copyright and license statements, provide > their users with their modified source code and installation > instructions, etc. > > If you are having such a simple question, then you should really read > the license text or perhaps consult a lawyer if you are having trouble > understandingthe license. Again, the earlier disclaimer applies to > everything I say, that I'm not a lawyer and what I'm saying is not a > legal advice, it's just my understanding of GPL to the best of my > knowledge, which might not necessarily be correct. > > --- > Regards, > nurupo > > On 2021-08-02 23:12, gary at mohan.net wrote: > >> Could open sourcing it get me money? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gary at mohan.net Tue Aug 3 12:46:37 2021 From: gary at mohan.net (gary at mohan.net) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:46:37 +0100 Subject: [General] TriCitizen new Tox client on Android In-Reply-To: <6f8a7e3fef75c155cd86f326a31eb117@tricitizen.com> References: <99b5220fb719fa73b2dab094296091c7@mohan.net> <6f8a7e3fef75c155cd86f326a31eb117@tricitizen.com> Message-ID: This didn't seem to be delivered to all recipients. I'm using a derived work and I've decided to open source it. On 2021-08-03 1:43 pm, info at tricitizen.com wrote: > I'm using a derived work and I've decided to open source it. > > On 2021-08-02 17:50, Simon Levermann wrote: Hello Gary, > > While I am not actively involved in the development of Tox anymore, I > am still one of the copyright holders due to my contributions to the > project. You are actively violating the license of the library code > which you are using by not placing it under a similar open source > license like the GPL. > > Deploying apps on the Play Store that violate copyrights is a violation > of the developer agreements you have to sign when creating a Google > Developer account and uploading apps to the Play Store. If you do not > take appropriate action (that is, either publish the source code for > tricitizen under a compatible license, or remove the offending code), I > see no option other than reporting this violation of my (and others') > intellectual property rights to Google in order to have them resolve > the situation. > > Best regards > > Simon (sonOfRa) Levermann > > On 2. Aug 2021, at 23:30, gary at mohan.net wrote: > > Gregory, if you can persuade the venture investment team at Facebook to > fund what I'm doing and they want to pay for open sourcing it, I'll do > it then. > > Am more than happy to open source if getting paid to do so. > > On 2021-08-02 8:29 pm, Gregory Mullen (grayhatter) wrote: > The stackexchange article is about LGPL which isn't the same license as > toxcore. But even if it was, (it's not), Toxcore isn't a just a runtime > dependency, it's both a build time dependency and a statically compiled > part of the android application. So arguments about shared libraries > don't apply. > > On Mon Aug 2, 2021 at 6:21 AM PDT, wrote: GPL allows distribution of > binaries in a closed source project. > > https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/7737/am-i-allowed-to-provide-compiled-binaries-of-open-source-libraries > > https://www.quora.com/Do-I-have-to-disclose-my-code-when-using-GPL-runtime-depedencies?share=1 > > On 2021-08-01 2:47 pm, nurupo wrote: > > Hi, > > Any updates regarding TriCitizen violating the terms of c-toxcore's GPL > license? > We would like to see this issue resolved as soon as possible. > > --- > Regards, > nurupo _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at lists.tox.chat https://lists.tox.chat/listinfo/general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary at mohan.net Tue Aug 3 15:25:22 2021 From: gary at mohan.net (gary at mohan.net) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2021 16:25:22 +0100 Subject: [General] TriCitizen new Tox client on Android In-Reply-To: <6f8a7e3fef75c155cd86f326a31eb117@tricitizen.com> References: <99b5220fb719fa73b2dab094296091c7@mohan.net> <6f8a7e3fef75c155cd86f326a31eb117@tricitizen.com> Message-ID: <8a96cfc51fb0dff71631ac25a3b15b99@mohan.net> In order to open source it, I'll remove the adverts and subscriptions completely as this wasn't working as a model anyway. I'll need to delete existing git history, as that contains production secrets. I also want to make a change to the colour of the icon as I've had feedback the icon is the reason I'm getting low conversions on the store landing page. The plan is to add in file sharing, conferences and voice calls later. I also want to add in crypto wallet functionality and crypto transfers. On 2021-08-03 1:43 pm, info at tricitizen.com wrote: > I'm using a derived work and I've decided to open source it. > > On 2021-08-02 17:50, Simon Levermann wrote: Hello Gary, > > While I am not actively involved in the development of Tox anymore, I > am still one of the copyright holders due to my contributions to the > project. You are actively violating the license of the library code > which you are using by not placing it under a similar open source > license like the GPL. > > Deploying apps on the Play Store that violate copyrights is a violation > of the developer agreements you have to sign when creating a Google > Developer account and uploading apps to the Play Store. If you do not > take appropriate action (that is, either publish the source code for > tricitizen under a compatible license, or remove the offending code), I > see no option other than reporting this violation of my (and others') > intellectual property rights to Google in order to have them resolve > the situation. > > Best regards > > Simon (sonOfRa) Levermann > > On 2. Aug 2021, at 23:30, gary at mohan.net wrote: > > Gregory, if you can persuade the venture investment team at Facebook to > fund what I'm doing and they want to pay for open sourcing it, I'll do > it then. > > Am more than happy to open source if getting paid to do so. > > On 2021-08-02 8:29 pm, Gregory Mullen (grayhatter) wrote: > The stackexchange article is about LGPL which isn't the same license as > toxcore. But even if it was, (it's not), Toxcore isn't a just a runtime > dependency, it's both a build time dependency and a statically compiled > part of the android application. So arguments about shared libraries > don't apply. > > On Mon Aug 2, 2021 at 6:21 AM PDT, wrote: GPL allows distribution of > binaries in a closed source project. > > https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/7737/am-i-allowed-to-provide-compiled-binaries-of-open-source-libraries > > https://www.quora.com/Do-I-have-to-disclose-my-code-when-using-GPL-runtime-depedencies?share=1 > > On 2021-08-01 2:47 pm, nurupo wrote: > > Hi, > > Any updates regarding TriCitizen violating the terms of c-toxcore's GPL > license? > We would like to see this issue resolved as soon as possible. > > --- > Regards, > nurupo _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at lists.tox.chat https://lists.tox.chat/listinfo/general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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