From shalnoff at openmailbox.org Wed Jun 1 12:44:14 2016 From: shalnoff at openmailbox.org (D. Shalnoff) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:44:14 +0200 Subject: [General] Repos are useless In-Reply-To: <574D189F.50309@oranges.net.nz> References: <574D189F.50309@oranges.net.nz> Message-ID: <20160601144414.0dbe67cc@dmitry-laptop> Hi, in fairness it should be noted that deb https://pkg.tox.chat/debian nightly rosa for example, doesn't work. So the user have to be smart enough to get to the URL https://pkg.tox.chat/debian/dists/nightly/ then see what is available there and change the name of distro for "release" to make repository accessible. It would be great to add this "workaround" in instruction on the website as well. Dmitry On Tue, 31 May 2016 16:52:47 +1200 oranges wrote: > > > On 31/05/16 16:48, Lugarius Enerugi Albe wrote: > > Why not adding the static binaries as default download? > > I am forced to use them anyway because the repos are not working. > > > > And the normal users just don't want adding repos after pressing an > > download button, reading a message > > > > '''Thanks for downloading '''. Without anything is downloading. ... > > then another link that shows you commands to make your computer > > able to install your stuff. ... and if the non geek user read 5min > > an document explaining how to use a Terminal, copy pastes the > > commands to it.... and still after 6min of trying to install, the > > user pressed an download button and Tox said > > "Thank you for downloading"... > > > > 80% off all normies continue to use there old messenger... > > > > > > Is this your goal? Baiting the potential user with " easy to use " > > and says after pressing the download button : " Haha, did you > > thought that you can just download our awesome software? LOL no. .. > > you have to add non working repos and we trolled you noob! " > > > > Is this for Tox "easy to use"? > > > > Can you please remove the repo joke? > > I'm sorry you're incapable of carrying out basic instructions to > install tox clients on your chosen os. > > I can direct you to a reputable windows or mac dealer as these OS seem > better suited to your level of ability. > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at lists.tox.chat > https://lists.tox.chat/listinfo/general From zetok at openmailbox.org Sat Jun 4 20:00:50 2016 From: zetok at openmailbox.org (Zetok Zalbavar) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 21:00:50 +0100 Subject: [General] qTox meeting #5 Message-ID: <57533372.9090007@openmailbox.org> qTox meeting 2016-06-04, #qtox @ freenode Maintainers present: * sudden6 * TheSpiritXIII (a.k.a. DaSpirit) * tux3 * zetok Maintainers absent without notification of absence: * agilob (5th absence without notification) * antis81 (5th absence without notification) Short summary: * meeting time changed -2h to 16:00 UTC?0 * it would be nice to get help with new qTox website: https://qtox.github.io Log from the meeting (log time UTC+1): ######################################################################## [18:54:54] <<< Official qTox-dev meeting, logs can be found at https://lists.tox.chat/pipermail/qtox-dev/ >>> [18:55:25] actually, link to logs is in the topic :P [18:55:47] oh that's new ^^ [19:01:14] tux3, DaSpirit: anything against changing meeting time -2h, to 16 UTC? [19:04:36] * josh98 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:06:45] If I'm here then changing the meeting time doesn't matter to me. [19:07:33] zetok, it's fine by me [19:07:40] ok [19:07:46] nice [19:13:01] I was wondering about inviting people to qTox org [19:13:22] who do you want to invite? [19:13:55] I had Rowen_Stripe and abbat on mind [19:15:43] possibly someone who'd want to maintain & develop website, no idea who would that be [19:19:16] do you really think maintaining the website will require that much work? [19:19:41] most of the relevant stuff really happens on gh [19:19:55] it will require someone who'd maintain it [19:22:08] of course, but I think the expected workload could be handled by our core team in the near future [19:22:16] so no need to rush anything [19:22:34] hmm [19:22:56] if someone steps up and wants to do the website I of course wouldn't say no :) [19:25:15] as for Rowen_Stripe and abbat I think it would honor their work [19:25:41] yeah :) [19:27:13] ok, made invitations [19:29:04] * zetok wonders if there's anything else to discuss [19:30:31] oh, right [19:31:27] I think there's https://github.com/tux3/qTox/pull/3351 [19:32:38] on the packaging front, Gentoo users have it disabled [19:33:09] I don't know if anybody manually compiles with filteraudio enabled [19:33:21] probably not [19:33:53] mhm [19:34:10] regarding the site maintaining it will be big issue if its irrregularly checked [19:36:10] linuxmodder: how do you mean? [19:36:47] it can become a chore fast to update shit [19:38:49] I don't think the current website needs much maintaining, because it mostly links to github, which well maintained [19:39:33] its hsoted where again atm ? [19:39:42] github [19:40:49] github.io or ghpages? [19:41:09] .com or .io I mean [19:41:20] both [19:43:41] https://github.com/tux3/qTox/issues/3314 [19:43:58] sudden6: do you still think that locking wouldn't be useful? [19:45:00] pretty much yes [19:45:24] DaSpirit, tux3: ? ? [19:46:07] zetok, that sounds incredibly useless, use your screen locker or logout [19:46:50] tux3: screen locker when you're showing something to someone on your screen? [19:47:29] If someone has access to your computer then having a locked screen wouldn't be the best way of stopping them from getting your stuff. [19:48:04] DaSpirit: still better than just locking the application tough [19:48:30] tux3: also, logging-out is not an option, given that "log-in" is not instantaneous [19:48:35] I agree with sudden6 on this matter. [19:49:23] +1 to locking hook [19:50:18] and with a locked screen its harder (not impossible tho ) to mine pass / configs [19:50:53] DaSpirit: it's not really about preventing someone from getting stuff, but more like providing a curtain that will hide private, possibly nsfw conversations when needed [19:50:53] * linuxmodder uses two locks normally a gui locker and a full getty lock form tty [19:51:23] * not limited to conversations [19:51:26] zetok, so you invision it more as a 'Panic button" [19:51:43] ~kinda [19:51:46] * linuxmodder still reading issue thread [19:53:27] sudden6: um, mind providing a rationale? [19:54:17] sudden6: i.e. in the issue you've said that it's the job of screensaver/locker, but then Getron provided a good use case that screensaver/locker won't be able to handle [19:55:06] another idea inactive or keybind auto min to tray and forces login pass to remax [19:56:37] similar to both Telegram and skype in omplementation [19:57:45] so `on-boarding` those user should be minimal efffort [20:00:24] btw, a reflection from yesterday; "a moment ago I was looking at PR that doesn't zero out all the needed memory, and now I'm looking at this bullshit comment in issue claiming that ability to select area of shared desktop helps with security?" [20:02:13] upon reflecting further, one might realized that the latter is a real issue, while the former isn't ? that's IMO quite good example of how programming makes one stop noticing real issues [20:02:26] realize* [20:04:11] So I'm just kinda wondering whether you've taken proper correction on your PoV ;) [20:05:11] commented [20:06:39] well security isn't privacy altough both are used interchangeably in everyday language [20:07:32] the first part could be a security issue, but the second part is only a privacy issue [20:07:48] mm [20:07:58] but it's important enough to make one make an issue [20:09:17] >I understand your point clearly, but I'm very much against creating the false security provided by a password [20:09:36] I wonder about that [20:10:33] while creating false sense of security is obviously wrong, is it wrong to give users some functionality, but not pretend that given functionality isn't about security? [20:10:54] s/isn't/is/ [20:11:43] * Pharyngeal has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:12:00] * Pharyngeal (~Pharyngea at 2001:19f0:300:1643:dce8:9201:2f12:b8f7) has joined [20:12:14] how would you ensure users knowing it isn't secure? [20:12:18] also, while it may feel ~wrong, is it really wrong to provide for users functionality that they think will provide security, but not claiming that it will provide security? [20:12:22] you don't [20:12:54] if something may go wrong, it will go wrong [20:13:11] thus, if there is a chance of users misunderstanding something, they will misunderstand it [20:13:31] > thus, if there is a chance of users misunderstanding something, they will misunderstand it [20:13:38] so not make it look secure [20:13:47] I started getting this error message when launching qtox from the terminal after doing recent 'apt-get upgrade' error "qtox: error while loading shared libraries: libqrencode.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" [20:14:00] sysfu: yes, and you might want to learn to read [20:14:26] >[17:46:48] sysfu: add the right repo [20:14:28] ie no password, just a single click [20:14:40] Well, I installed qrencode but that just changes the error to "qtox: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.8' not found (required by qtox)" [20:15:28] never did that before. Repo in use is 'deb https://pkg.tox.chat/debian nightly release' [20:15:48] I had to change it that that to get tox pkg to install on elementary OS Freya 3.4.2. [20:16:07] Should it read something else now? I was working fine for about six months that way. [20:16:14] sysfu: https://qtox.github.io/ ? there's a big "Download" button there, use it [20:16:33] and proceed from there [20:16:43] * Pharyngeal has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:17:02] sudden6: right, qTox kinda guarantees that password actually secures stuff [20:17:05] hmm :s [20:17:17] ! [20:17:40] So repository changed to antonbatenev then? [20:17:49] * zetok thinks about something beside password [20:17:55] sysfu: yes [20:18:01] thank you [20:19:23] you're welcome [20:19:51] >.< [20:20:35] * zetok wonders if that took care of the qTox *buntu users [20:23:29] * zetok can't think of something beside password that wouldn't be outright misleading [20:24:02] I guess that woudl be it for the meeting. [20:24:06] would* [20:24:13] ok [20:25:02] https://i.imgur.com/adXnS5Q.jpg :3 [20:25:41] zetok: sorry if you already responded to my same last night and I missed it. I do not have an IRC bouncer setup at the moment. [20:26:08] sysfu: read the topic, logs are provided ;) [20:26:18] and no, I didn't manage to respond yesterday :) [20:26:37] OK, nice. more logs at https://github.com/qTox/qtox-irc-logs -- Kind regards, Zetok Zalbavar ---- My Tox ID: 29AE62F95C56063D833024B1CB5C2140DC4AEB94A80FF4596CACC460D7BAA062E0A92C3424A0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From zetok at openmailbox.org Sun Jun 12 11:19:08 2016 From: zetok at openmailbox.org (Zetok Zalbavar) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 12:19:08 +0100 Subject: [General] qTox meeting #6 Message-ID: <575D452C.3070603@openmailbox.org> qTox meeting 2016-06-11, #qtox @ freenode Maintainers present: * sudden6 * zetok Maintainers absent without notification of absence: * agilob (6th absence without notification) * antis81 (6th absence without notification) * TheSpiritXIII (a.k.a. DaSpirit) (1st absence without notification) * tux3 (2nd absence without notification) Short summary: * qTox's website got translations ready for easy translating on weblate * since tox.chat blog can't be used for qTox posts, own blog will need to be made - if making a blog post about your relationship with qTox strikes your fancy, you'll have a possibility to post about it on the blog ;) Log from the meeting (log time UTC+1): ######################################################################## [17:09:36] <<< official qTox-dev meeting, logs can be found at https://github.com/qTox/qtox-irc-logs >>> [17:09:51] well, not many around today tough [17:09:57] yeah [17:10:40] so, website's translations are cleaned up, I've sent request to weblate, so hopefully they'll host translations there [17:10:58] nice [17:11:35] I'm wondering about https://github.com/qTox/qTox-Website/issues/1 [17:11:48] I'll fix the doc PR in a few minutes and then probably push [17:11:59] > Eeeerhghrh [17:12:13] ? that was tux3's response to that issue >.< [17:12:32] so, I still am not sure what to do :s [17:12:48] idk about #1, last I checked bountysource they had 10% of fees, sounds like a ripp-off to me... [17:13:15] you probably should comment about that on the issue [17:16:42] btw, I was wondering whether there should be blog made, and if there would be people interested in posting on it [17:18:57] posting would be as simple as making a PR [17:19:47] I think if, people really want to donate something, we should put up BTC addresses of every dev [17:20:10] blog, would be overkill IMHO [17:20:17] why? [17:20:31] there's no other place to post project updates to [17:20:59] posting to ML is a cheap work-around, and only handful of people feel comfortable with it [17:21:02] I can't really think of enough articles to fill one [17:21:11] I agree with zetok. Blog can be good place to poste some news [17:21:35] I know you won't like this, but why don't we put up posts on blog.tox.chat? [17:21:38] *post [17:21:56] sudden6: sec, it's in logs ;) [17:22:45] sudden6: https://github.com/qTox/qtox-irc-logs/blob/75d829a2da7d3aad55a12f4e4c2e50ce6bf162f6/2016/06/%23qtox_20160606.log.txt#L23,L25 here you go :) [17:23:44] as you can see from logs, tox isn't interested in qTox's blog posts [17:24:02] mhmm [17:24:09] :/ [17:25:40] *** Joins: f10_ (~flo@ ) [17:26:00] and sorry for not providing more logs for the problems with tox.chat I talk about, but it would seem like asshole move to just drop my logs of stuff with no prior words that stuff is logged :/ [17:27:40] sudden6: dunno, are you still not convinced that blog is needed? [17:28:16] I don't need to be convinced, but I see not much possible content [17:28:20] it's not like it has to be posted to constantly, but once in a while there are things that would be good to announce, and that's where blog would come in handy [17:28:30] and a half empty blog is worse than an empty one [17:28:52] even half empty glass is IMO better than empty glass [17:28:56] I would put that stuff on the frontpage of our website [17:29:08] err [17:29:24] so, here's the thing with frontpage ? it's translated [17:29:37] and all the stuff on it should be translated [17:29:59] a half empty glass is twice as big as it needs to be /smartass off ;) [17:30:00] as for blog posts ? I don't think that it would be a good idea to burden translators with lengthy posts [17:30:23] + site formatting [17:30:54] i.e. the most important thing on the website is the download button [17:31:00] *** Joins: f10__ (~flo@ ) [17:31:37] May be make one page on site like blog? [17:32:31] Diadl0: um, the idea that I have is to have `Blog` link on front page, that would redirect to `blog/` subdirectory where blog would be located [17:33:25] ok, assume we have a blog, who would write stuff? [17:35:04] anyone who would feel like [17:35:21] if no one would feel like, I could, but I'm not good at writing stuff [17:35:54] What should be content of the blog? Most important features can be translated and posted on "news page [17:36:54] Changelog is more dev part of qtox [17:36:59] hmm, if you really want to do it as "your" project for qTox I won't stand in your way, but I think time is better invested in improving qTox [17:39:45] the way I see it, there has to be a place where news about stuff related to project could be posted to [17:39:45] sudden6: some peoples want help qtox. They can't wirte the code. Or don't want do any dev thins. But can write blog post if they want [17:39:58] ? :) [17:41:15] maybe, I've yet to see someone :) [17:42:29] I'm still, not fully convinced this is a good idea, maybe additionally ask some other people? [17:43:14] well, there were people in the past that wanted to do that sort of stuff, there will be in the future [17:43:50] question is not "whether", but how to make things as easy as possible for those people to participate [17:44:57] Question, how will "non programmer" people react to git and PRs for the blog? [17:45:07] I think, that we can try it. We always can delete it [17:45:37] It can be part of blog UI [17:46:09] "Article request" or something like that [17:47:01] ok, let's make a blog and see how it goes [17:47:02] Or email to sending article [17:47:17] maybe we can even invent "user stories" [17:47:29] where people describe their usage of qTox [17:47:41] and experiences (hopefully good) [17:47:53] sounds great [17:48:26] It may be free style of bug reports :) [17:48:33] :D [17:48:36] And feature requests [17:48:49] I'd rather have conventional bug reports^^ [17:49:48] Diadl0: did you have time for https://github.com/tux3/qTox/pull/3257 ? [17:49:59] ? \ _ (?) _ / ? [17:50:11] Oh.. [17:50:18] timing xD [17:51:21] ( ?? ?? ??) [17:51:22] I am not sure :( [17:52:16] not sure about what? [17:52:44] About my time [17:52:50] ok [17:53:16] Ok. I try to fix it today [17:53:36] :D [18:01:51] zetok: do you think it's possible to configure travis to make one check only for commit syntax? [18:02:11] -.- [18:02:14] i.e one instance only checks the commit titles [18:02:20] ah, this way [18:02:45] err [18:02:54] sudden6: but that's the current setup? [18:03:11] i.e. only Linux one checks commit formatting [18:03:27] since osx's grep cannot into extended regexp [18:03:39] yeah, but I meant decouple the commit formatting from compiling so you get faster results [18:03:58] because compiling takes ~10min [18:04:10] might be doable [18:04:33] probably doable, but I'd have to check travis docs to make sure [18:04:54] i.e. what would be needed, is creating a matrix for builds [18:04:55] also is there a limit how many travis instances we can have? [18:05:14] matrix for builds??? [18:05:30] * zetok looks his rust projects which spin up 6 travis instances on every push [18:05:42] I wouldn't worry about number of instances too much [18:07:21] https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/multi-os/ [18:07:58] actually [18:08:23] sudden6: would it be better if build failed as soon as check for commit message fails? [18:08:57] I also wondered about that, but it may lead to a misinterpretation by the PR maker [18:09:31] on the otherside, I think nobody is checking travis logs anyway... [18:09:42] * zetok noticed that too :/ [18:10:32] maybe it will make them check if it fails after a few secs? [18:10:59] hum [18:11:20] except that build isn't marked as "failed" as long as there are builds going on [18:11:30] even if one of instances already failed [18:12:17] maybe we should chain it: commit check -> linux build -> osx build [18:12:32] if one fails the others aren't even started [18:12:39] that's probably not doable :f [18:12:49] unless you'd use custom thing for it [18:12:53] -_- [18:13:33] we should write travis makers for this feature, would greatly reduce their server load^^ [18:20:28] https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci [18:20:38] dunno, perhaps they have an issue for it [18:32:17] *** Joins: Chiitoo (~Chiitoo@ ) [18:32:17] anybody still has questions to ask? 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