<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">Replies inline below</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 1:55 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ghostlands@autistici.org" target="_blank">ghostlands@autistici.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">With all due respect (which is a lot btw), a "warrant canary" is different than a "canary". Canaries in general are useful and can flag for just about anything.<br>
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Just because even the most comprehensive and vigourous search of Tox development resources would reveal no user information, doesn't mean the team has not been contacted by intelligence agencies with *other* requests or offers that might come replete with an NDL. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Such as?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Requests or offers that in no way feature a warrant for searches.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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The broader use of the canary device today is an NDL canary. This [non] notification "notifies" the public that the project has been served an NDL, which may have included anything from a search warrant </blockquote><div><br></div><div>For information or data. The tox project keeps no data (to my knowledge) that any TLA might be interested in. </div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">to a demand for that one or more team members insert a backdoor or generally compromise integrity. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's one of the MANY reasons, we use git, it'd be seen by anyone and everyone, if anyone tried this. The resources that would be needed to make this anything but blatantly obvious, would also be the same that would be able to do something like this without a warrant.</div><div><br></div><div>And, even if I was worried, you have to show me anything to make me believe that this is a real thing that happens.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Not that a whole lot could be done about this if it happened, but it is some small deterrent to gratuitous use of NDLs and a contributor to public awareness of their scale.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't think so, no one who could get a warrant is going to say; You know, I was going to serve them a warrant, but they have a warrant canary, so maybe I shouldn't. </div><div><br></div><div>All a warrant canary does when you don't have data that's worth subpoenaing, is create a lot of extra work, and provide a worthless sense of security. I really believe that nothing is better than something in this case. But I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. </div><div><br></div><div>Finally, if anyone at this point would be willing to write a warrant with non-disclosure language. IMO, they'd also be willing to write language that would require the warrant canary to continue to be maintained. Again, citation needed if you think this wouldn't be the case.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On 2016-02-06 17:11, Gregory Mullen wrote:<br>
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The warrant canary was started by one person who didn't really understand<br>
the point of a warrant canary.<br>
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Once he left the project the canary came down automatically, and no one<br>
else wanted to put it back up simply because Tox doesn't have any of your<br>
data. None.<br>
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If someone serves us a warrant, we get to laugh about it because there's<br>
nothing we could give anyone.<br>
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That was one of the main goals of Tox, to make sure no one could compel<br>
anyone to give away your data.<br>
On Feb 6, 2016 2:15 AM, "Dominic Cammarota" <<a href="mailto:dom.camma@gmail.com" target="_blank">dom.camma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hello,<br>
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Love the website, and the service is most exceptionally presented and<br>
branded. I am to download and begin my experience, and I intent to share it<br>
with many.<br></span>
I noticed this <<a href="https://twitter.com/ProjectTox/status/549238897172299777" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/ProjectTox/status/549238897172299777</a>> on<span class=""><br>
your Twitter account, that PSA regarding the removal of the warrant canary.<br>
It would be most appreciated and encouraging if you can share as to why the<br>
warrant canary was removed? And what is being done with the users data<br>
currently and who is interested in it? I hope to learn more as to why the<br>
canary was removed.<br>
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Thank you for your time.<br>
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- Dom<br>
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